Comments on: Regarding LLKDU http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/ News about the Kokua and Imprudence Viewers Sat, 04 Aug 2018 14:38:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.1.1 By: Ron Overdrive http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1905 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:41:37 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1905 @Zorin: If you have a modern machine with a decent graphics card that hovers around or exceeds LL’s Recommended Specs you won’t notice a difference. Majority of users fall somewhere between their Minimum and Recommended Specs which will see a performance boost from using KDU. Only time you will notice a problem with OpenJPEG with a newer machine is if there is a bug or glitch affecting OpenJPEG’s stability.

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By: Redwood Rhiadra http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1901 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:36:25 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1901 @Fender

There’s a difference between “deployment” and “distribution”. Deployment means you can use it in an application and install that application onto other machines you control.

Distribution of applications (i.e. giving them to other people) is expressly forbidden.

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By: Sneeker http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1899 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:13:34 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1899 Personally I am fed up with LL. I already started a dispute with them in the California BBB because they stole $20 from me and manipulated me into not disputing it or they ban my account for life. I was going to reinstall this after doing a fresh install of xp but now I am hesitant. LL are just a bunch of crooks and its time I looked elsewhere to spend my time/money.

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By: Sneeker http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1898 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:11:03 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1898 @Zorin Because it is unstable and sometimes textures never load. This includes sculpt maps which means some objects never load. And on older machines seconds are as minutes.

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By: Zorin Frobozz http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1897 Tue, 21 Sep 2010 00:18:40 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1897 Does llkdu really make much of a difference? I’m watching the texture console as things rez, and with and without llkdu, the “DEC” step is such a quick blink I hardly notice the letters there. I can’t even tell if the blink is faster with llkdu; it’s nearly instantaneous.

The bulk of the delay is waiting for the darned textures to be sent by the sim. The decode step is a drop in the ocean. So why is this such a huge deal?

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By: Ron Overdrive http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1892 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:32:57 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1892 @SKK: The only problem with Kirsten’s Viewer is that its tailored for high end machines for machinamists and his S20Jpeg reflects that. If you look at Kirsten’s minimum specs its the same as LL’s recommended specs as it requires a Cuda/OpenCL capable GPU. We might be able to use that for a performance version, but not for our normal distribution.

The only problem I can see with having multiple media backends is just that, you’re working with 2 backends instead of one. Its a challenge as it is working with multiple texture decoders.

@Fender & @PocoLoco: Like Thraxis said TPV’s based on SL/SG 1.x are basically now being forbidden to have a llkdu drop in regardless if we have a license or not. Only SnowStorm based TPV’s may use KDU if they can present to LL a copy of their Kadaku license then you will be given a copy of LL’s wrapper. You’re not allowed to make your own wrapper even with SnowStorm.

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By: Fender Strangelove http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1890 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:50:51 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1890 @PocoLoco
I did see that, it’s #3 in the list. However, #4 says:
“The Licensee shall have the right to Deployment of the KAKADU software, provided that such Deployment does not result in any direct or indirect financial return to the Licensee or any other Third Party which further supplies or otherwise uses such Applications.” There is a little more to it but the gist seems to say (to me) that as long as someone is not trying to make money with the Kakadu software, “deployment” is allowed under the license.

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By: PocoLoco Darwin http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1887 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:54:45 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1887 @Fender
I think you missed this part on the page quoting $250/lic for non-commercial use


A non-commercial licence allows you to use the SDK to build Applications for your personal use. It is applicable where the licensee receives no commercial and/or financial benefit. It does not permit you to distribute or use any Applications. This licence can only be purchased by individuals, Academic Institutions, not-for-profit organizations and libraries which do not generate revenue by using this software

My reading sees this as a Personal Use lic expressly not for distribution. Such a license would not help the current situation.

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By: Thraxis Epsilon http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1886 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:22:33 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1886 Please notice that this requirement of removal only affects NON-Snowstorm based versions of Third Party Clients. That means any client that is not based on the 2.x interface.

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By: Fender Strangelove http://blog.kokuaviewer.org/2010/09/18/regarding-llkdu/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:02:43 +0000 http://imprudenceviewer.org/?p=1230#comment-1884 From what I saw on the Kakadu website, a license for their product is $250… if 250 Imprudence users chip in one dollar each… isn’t that enough for the license?

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